#iasip spoilers kinda

[23meteorstreet]

charlie kelly - season 16

[sunnykeysmash]

having someone's back

[denniskisser]

macdenner sleepover where we do each others clown makeup

[malewifemanhunter]

something about mac being so resistent, looking so scared to accept that dennis is johnny, that the man he's been pouring his heart to, his love to is actually just the same man that's been rejecting him for years

[glitter-d0g]

Did this episode seem shorter than normal to anyone else? Like obviously it’s the same length of time but like… idk… like the whole Dee and Frank plot, I was looking forward to a scene where they collect all the jokes and the get to hear Risk E. Eat tell jokes like they talked about, but it never happened. I’m not saying it was a bad episode! I liked it, I’m just… idk… confused?

[comradekiwi]

i’m new to sunny and I’m not even caught up but I watched s16 x 01 anyway (so that I could enjoy macdennis gifs as they come), and I’ve spent all this time seeing lots of simultaneous love and frustration regarding this show and how it handles the gang and it’s original vibe and macdennis especially, but…. this was so gay?? they make dennis so fruity ?? macdennis clearly best friends w emphasis on how they live together? the vibe fit the vibe of the seasons I’ve seen so far (up to 8) like it felt pretty solidly continuous and funny and evil found family and everything. i’m so happy

[shatlass]

oh two-person love triangle my beloved

[zigreth]

friends i am refusing to set foot into the iasip tag on here because I'm just not there yet, but i gotta ask

does anybody have a picture of charlie kelly for me?

[margle]

I thought I was the only one feeling like Dee feels like a side character this season idk.. I get its probably difficult to give equal time to characters but it’s kinda killing the vibe a little bit for me especially when theres not much fan content for her either

yeah I feel like she's been mostly relegated to the side plots so far.

in inflates all she did was glue her hand to some doors/walls. in the gang gets cursed it felt a little more equal because everyone had tiny plots. and in shoots and frank vs russia she was comedically paired up with dennis and mac respectively. she's had a fair amount of screen time and she's been brilliant and funny when she gets lines but there is a feeling that she her actual character has kinda been a bit of an after thought.

idk maybe im complaining too much. but I feel like we are learning so much about mac and charlie because their parents have been in the episodes and so we are learning about their childhoods. and dennis just had a massive characterisation revealed and will get his own episode. frank also technically got two episodes (frank shoots and frank vs russia).

atm it feels like she's there to help carry other character's plots and for comedic relief. she hasn't been given any emotional beats and we haven't really learnt anything significant about her so far.

we have just learnt about the full extent of dennis's 'mommy issues'. now I want to find out more about dee's relationship with barbara. I want to really get to the root of her sexual exploitation of men and why she does it. I want to know more about her difficulties with making friends with other women. most of all, I want to learn something new about her. I want dee to have some scenes that are a completely new/never previously confirmed revelation about her character. I want them to be interesting as us finding out about mac having an uncle. or charlie having sisters. or dennis fucking men. or frank wanting his kids to shoot him in the back of the head.

the frank shoots episode has been the best so far in terms of dee content. the scene on the beach felt like a really interesting exploration of her complicated relationship with frank but also dennis.

anyway. this doesnt mean im not enjoying the new season (I really really am). (queer dennis?!?!) I guess im just pretty greedy! we still have four whole episodes left. and I think bowling might be a good dee episode.

the lack of dee content isnt season-ruining for me. but it is a bit disappointing. maybe because the ireland episodes were so focused on her that I got spoiled on dee content?

[sunnykeysmash]

I was trying to work out the pyramid hierarchy for the gang and I think the reason it's a pyramid scheme is that NO MATTER WHAT, it eventually ends in mac and dennis joining forces to cut dee out of leader position.

A. If Mac rises too high, Dennis is bound to plummet without him, which eventually leads Mac to resume his position behind Dennis for support and it improves their overall relationship, which makes them gain power again. Mac high and Dennis low doesn't last long, and it only leads to their union strengthening.

B. If Mac sinks too low, but still directly behind Dennis, their relationship is still working properly and the conjoined power still hijacks Dee's leadership. May not be enough to be leader themselves, that's where Frank comes in if Charlie is below him for support (which, they flipped in s15, so that's not a thing anymore).

C. If Mac is at the bottom, and Dennis is above him, that's just point A again.

D. If Mac sinks too low, but Dennis is super high, you get a situation a la s13, Escapes. Dennis is still nominated leader due to Mac's intense and intrinsic power inside the group and his devotion to Dennis. They won't get along, but Dee is still barred from being leader. Dennis and Frank will fight for dominance (again, if Charlie is below him in this case), and the group as a whole will suffer greatly because of Mac and Dennis not being on the same front.

No matter what, however, the system is designed to cut her out. Because unlike Charlie, Frank, Mac and Dennis, Dee is the only one inside the group who is alone.

And no matter what, Mac is always playing both sides, so he always comes out on top. It doesn't matter if he's at the top of it, at the bottom, if it's upside down or right side up or whatever. His controlling and structured nature and devotion to Dennis will always work in his favor to basically have him control things behind the scenes. Whether he does it himself, or Dennis does it for him.

In fact, the gang was at its worst and least functional during the time where Mac decided to hand Dennis actual control. But even then, he couldn't help trying to run things behind the scenes. I want you to take the first half of Chokes into consideration for this. I say first half because the conflict is resolved with Mac understanding that Dennis DOESN'T WANT POWER (just the illusion of it). He wants to lead while Mac makes all the decisions.

The only ways Dee can win this game? Either destroy the whole pyramid itself, or find a buddy.

But I have a feeling what she's actually going to do is still ultimately try to play the game with their rules, not realizing it's rigged. She's gonna try to bring Dennis down to take his much sought after leading position now that she senses his weakness. But as I discussed, that's a game she can't win. And it could probably lead to Mac and Dennis' union strengthening significantly.

Now, something interesting @cutemeat said to me, makes me think it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that Charlie and Dee could team up to take them down and take power from them, especially now that Frank, like Dennis, is sinking, which means Charlie is rising as well. Kinda like the leaderboard in Big Mo, huh? Anyway, if this is the case, all I know is that Frank would eventually end up on the very bottom, as the new person without anyone else, IF Charlie and Frank don't make up. IF they do, which I think they might, Dee, as always, is gonna get screwed for trying to play the game, and is gonna draw the short end of the stick, like always.

Because in the end, the show told us.

"Bros before hoes".

And in a situation like this, if Charlie has to choose between Frank and Dee, I have no doubt he'd leave her behind... (and perhaps that was his whole plan, who knows!)

It is no man left behind after all... not so much the women.

And that's the way the pyramid works to me, pretty much. Designed to keep her out of power. And I think that's maybe even smart commentary for like... the patriarchy as a whole, huh?

[fatmaclover]

ok i’ve never heard of this at all before, admittedly i’m a bit new to the iasip fandom. who is joyce kelly???? i checked the blog you linked. i’m kinda getting it but there’s so much there it’s hard to find the beginning lol

omg. you sweet sweet anon. i love you. ill write it out from memory as much as possible for you because im not at my pc to easily grab links. shoot me another ask if you need more sources. im worried about backing out of answering this ask though, tumblr usually deletee them if i do that :o(

i wanna warn you this post will contain heavy spoilers for season 13 episode 6. so. yeagh

joyce kelly is charlie. in season 13, episode 6, The Gang Solves the Bathroom Problem, theres a gag about how charlie wears a dress, wig, and heels while using the bathroom and uses the womens restroom. in the episode it kinda ends up fizzling out into a crossdressing thing and it feels a little awkward. theres also a later joke about charlie asks about the demographic of transgender people in philly, dennis says less than 1%, and then they ask "so where does that put me?" dennis replies "the majority", saying theyre cis, and they go along with it. turns out the original script for the episode got released(leaked? idk) and those two scenes, and even the rest of the episode, was pretty different. in the bathroom scene with the dress and wig and heels, dennis asks charlie if this woman has a name. she says her name is joyce. throughout the rest of the episode, they refer to her with she/her pronouns. the joke with her being confused about her gender instead ended with dennis telling her she was trans, the minority, instead. so uhhhhhh yeag!! a nice little corner of the iasip fandom refers to her as joyce now ^-^ ir typically she/her her, even if they still call her charlie.

@pariskim if ur available i know you have the original script ready like a loaded gun but anyone else eho has it is also free to rb this with it and ill rb it. i don't have it on my phone :o(

[cowpokezuko]

Guys I need to be a hater for a minute I'm so sorry.

If you have like a deep attachment to the Blue Eye Samurai episode "the tale of the ronin and the bride" look away now cause I'm about to rip into it. Also spoilers ahead for the whole series.

Okay, to preface, I am generally a hater of flashback sequences, so as much as this is a criticism of this episode, it's also a crit of most flashback sequences in film and television. I am also much more willing to let it slide when it's used for comedic purposes like the beginning flashbacks in Psych or clipshow episodes in IASIP or Community. Also, this is all my opinion, you are free to disagree with me all you want and that's totally fine. Apparently I'm the only person who thought this episode kinda sucked so I fully expect to be on my own here. I would like to present my argument nonetheless

Ok disclaimer done, now to get into why I think that the use of flashbacks and framing devices in this episode of BES was a poor choice and pisses me the hell off. Formatted into a numbered list.

It takes the tension out of the main fight. The fight scene in this episode is easily one of the best in the series, but the constant cut aways draws interest away from the fight and seems to equate cliffhangers with tension. On some occasions that would be fine. The bits where they cut to the other characters totally make sense and add to the tension of the fight overall as our minds are still on the fight and the show is not forcing our attention to something that's much less engaging than Mizu fighting like a hundred guys. It also decenters the actually interesting character dynamics we get to see in this episode by putting the focus on the relationship between Mizu and some guy we don't know. There could have been so much more development on the relationship between Mizu and Akemi or Akemi and Ringo which would have been so cool because they don't interact much before this episode, based on the finally, will end up being important relationships later on so why not spend your time showing us that? Why linger on this random guy from the past?

Flashbacks are lame and I don't like them. (This is my list so I get to be petty if I want to.) As previously mentioned, I am generally a hater of flashbacks. I think it's a boring way to relay a character's backstory and motivations to an audience. It often ends up over-explaining things that don't actually need to be explained and take away from the flow of the story. Ofc course, some flashbacks are better than others, for example, I think the flashbacks showing Mizu learning from the Swordfather are more interesting because learning how Mizu learned to fight and where her anger against her father stems from is actually interesting and very relevant to her actions. However, since we did see where Mizu's quest for revenge and fighting ability came from, why do we also need to see her get betrayed by a past lover on screen? Why did we need to see it happen beat for beat in the form of a flashback? Wouldn't it have been more interesting if we got to see her come across her ex in the actual plot of the story and not the metanarrative? Same goes for her mother? Why put the story on hold to tell us this when you could have made it part of the story?

We don't actually need to know every single thing about a character's traumatic backstory, and that's okay. This whole series of flashbacks fell flat for me because I already understand that Mizu is on a quest for revenge, y'all did a great job of conveying that by giving her a one track mind about it. I really don't care about what made her heart cold, isn't being jilted by everyone you've ever met enough to do that to a person? Why does she need a man to drive her to rage? Isn't being a member of an oppressed class enough to do that? She's a woman in an extremely patriarchal society and a member of a racial minority in a racist ass society, that's as good of a motivation as any. The idea that she needs more of a reason to hate the world is frustrating to say the least. In HBomerguy's video "Sherlock is Garbage and Here's Why", he discusses how Steven Moffatt fumbled the character of Sherlock by going back and showing his childhood, as he did with Jackman in Jekyll. In my opinion, if the only way you can think to reveal the character and motivations of a character is via flashbacks, you need to go back to the writing room and think of something else because there are always better ways to do it.

The romance plot is god fucking awful. This is probably my most biased point because I am so picky when it comes to romance plots in non romance stories. I am not against the concept of having romance subplots in non romance stories, and I am actually a romance lover, so it's not bad that there is a romance, this one just sucks dick and balls. Due to the format of it only existing in flashbacks there is absolutely no time for the audience to see the characters have legitimate chemistry or cute moments, so they try to use shorthand like the characters laughing together or whatever, but it falls flat because this is literally the first time we are seeing Mizu's husband and we know almost nothing about him. Every scene with them is super awkward and forced. There's no time for the audience to develop feelings or opinions on him, to the point that I am not using his name because I legit don't know what it is. Again, why not have Mizu come across her ex on her journey and have it be a source of conflict in the story? The way it's currently laid out is so goddamn boring that I was skipping through the parts where they weren't doing shit to get back to the good part (fighting).

Why are men? Must every woman have an on screen romance with a guy? Are we not allowed any other motivation? This isn't just me being a lesbian, this is genuinely such an annoying thing in media. There are so many guys who are on revenge missions who don't need to have their heart broken on screen too explain why they're murderous. Why did this need to happen to Mizu? We couldn't have had fmc with the same insane drive as Anton Chigurh or like the Basterds from Inglourious Basterds? There are basically no women in media who get to be just fucking nuts sans a tragic backstory with a guy and up until this episode, Mizu was one of them. But then we have to see how ooo actually she's a killer because a man broke her heart because god forbid women be angry at their material conditions. I'm not calling the writers misogynists or anything, I just think they took the boring way out in this episode.

The 'mother' reveal. WHYY NOT JUST HAVE THEM REUNITE IN THE BROTHEL OR SOMETHING?!?! This is the most frustrating thing. Her being alive during the flashback only to be killed by the end is a crock of shit if you ask me. It doesn't really affect anything because Mizu doesn't feel any different about her mother before and after the end of the episode BECAUSE IT ALL HAPPENS BEFORE THE STORY! If they had met during the timeline, we could have seen more development of the relationship between Mizu and her mother, but we already know that Mizu misses her mom because that's how she went into the episode. It was already explained in other episodes. Also by the end of the episode, she's still dead so what was the point of the reveal? If she had remained alive, Fowler's reveal that her mother is not her birth mother could actually change their relationship in an interesting way and could create intercharacter conflict which could be fun and cool idk.

The play framing device. I'm not too mad at this, it just feels kind of redundant given that it tells the same story as the flashbacks. I would have preferred they just stuck with this over the inclusion of the flashbacks because it's a lot more visually interesting and less on the nose. I do think that shifting Mizu from being the ronin to being the bride is lame, but that's just because it feels a lil heteronormative to me. Why does she havee to be the girl character in the play? Let her be the man, it's fine actually. I feel like it doesn't give us new information either because we go into it knowing that Mizu is violent and gets called a demon, then by the end Mizu is violent and gets called a demon, so again I think it was a little pointless.

I think that's all of my grievances, so here's some final thoughts. I really liked Blue Eye Samurai overall, I just think that this episode really fumbled the bag. Looking at reviews of the episode, it seems like most other people really liked it and I'm on my own here, but that's fine. I stand by what I said and will proudly hold my status as a hater up high. There are so many more interesting ways the show could have spent its time and I think it's such a shame that it fell back onto such boring storytelling. I also have my gripes with the way that the Swordfather flashbacks played out, but I think that it has a little bit more relevance than the time that Mizu was married so don't think I'm being selective in my hatership. I also have some very specific gripes with the way that this episode affects Mizu's relationship with her gender and sexuality in a really stupid way, but those are largely due to me projecting so I will not get into it here.

Once again, if you really like this episode, that's great, I am so glad. There are some parts I really like. The fight scene is awesome and I really like the parts where we get to see Akemi being the badass that she is. I wish there was more of that. As always, Ringo is the best guy ever and I love him, it's cool to see the way that he stands up for himself when Mizu does something he disagrees with. I just don't understand why we got so sidetracked by something as unimportant as an ex-husband. Usually I understand the concept of show don't tell, but if the only way you can think of to show us that is flashbacks, try again.

Anyway, I hope this makes sense and that you guys get what I'm putting down. Feel free to argue with me if you want, I'd like to understand why people like this episode so much given that I had such a negative reaction to it.

[nailgunstigmata]

spoiler for the last succession episode but dennis reynolds of iasip fame shows up and starts chugging everyones dick/pussy and becomes ceo of waystar but immediately runs it into the ground. dee is there and she makes out with shiv but in a way where everyone perceiving it in a fetishistic way busts into flames and dies (viewers too). tom and greg explode because they give me bad vibes and i dont like them. charlie appears but hes just kinda standing there

[allgaysunny]

Memes I made in honor of Chief Miles O’Brien from Deep Space 9 being Charlie Kelly’s father

Charlie O’Brien from It’s Always Sunny in Deep Space 9

[cat-in-da-wall]

local idiot wrote an iasip episode

howdy fine people of tumblr! instead of making important life decisions i've decided instead to write an episode of it's always sunny in philadelphia for fun :D! anyways here's a few scrots and if you like it, leave a note <3 if this hits like i dunno, a couple hundred notes or whatever, i'll post it :}